A digital thermometer with a thermocouple probe is the best way to add temperature measurement to your coffee roaster. Here’s how!
Realizing that our old post on adding a thermometer was out-of-date (so old that I wouldn’t even follow my own instructions I had posted there), I thought it’s time to update the material. Here’s is what I actually would do to add temperature measurement to an air popper / coffee roasterA machine for roasting coffee. Or the person operating it! The basic requirements for a coffee roaster are a heating element that gets suitably hot and a mechanism... ...more.
Of course, as a dedicated maximalist (in all the wrong ways, usually) I couldn’t just make a simple “how-to DIY ” video. I had to complicate it. As far as the steps to add a thermocouple, there is not much to it. So you can skip to 8:20 in the video to just see the procedure. Yawn.
But before that I need to have a word about all the caveats and conundrums of temperature measurement in coffee roasting….
Wouldn’t it be great if you, me and everyone who roasts coffee, on a stovetop, in a popper, in a 120 Kg drum roasterA roaster with a rotating drum that provides agitation to the beans, while a heating element (typically either electric or gas) provides heat. The metal drum conducts heat... ...more, could speak the same language on coffee roastingThe application of heat to green coffee seeds (beans) to create palatable material for brewing a great cup!: Coffee roasting is a chemical process induced by heat, by... ...more temperatures?
Wouldn’t it be great if we could just say, “I roasted that coffee to 438 fahrenheit, and if you do too it will taste great like mine did.”
Alas, coffee is a cruel master. It won’t let us off that easy. In reality, few people are measuring the same thing when they are measuring temperature. And even when they are, the readings likely will not calibrate. Coffee is like society, diverse, complicated, and often a pain in the #$@.
But having some sense of temperature while roasting, when used in combination with our senses (sight, sound, smell) as we roast, further empowers us to make good roasting decisions. By “good” I mean this; repeatable roasting results, and generally roasting coffee we want to drink! Consistent readings from a thermocouple do not, by themselves, make for roasting success. But it’s still worth doing the modification to whatever machine (or non-machine) you roast on.
Links to Items in the Video: Coffee Roaster Thermometer and Thermocouple
- Low Cost Digital Thermometer: Note that the thermometer comes with a standard thermocouple (called a bare wire or raw/naked thermocouple).
- Very, Very Low Cost Digital Thermometer: Super affordable, but only measures in Celsius. Also comes with a standard thermocouple.
- Stainless Steel Rigid Thermocouple: This is the one I am using in the video!
- Spare Basic Thermocouple: These work great for roasting, but are not the SS Rigid type I am using in the video.
So what are the basic steps to add a thermometer to a coffee roaster or air popcorn popper?
Here are some considerations, and steps to add temperature measurement:
- You could simply drop the thermocouple into the top of the air roaster or popper, but it will move around in the air flow, and the spinning bean mass … so that will change your temperature readings. Plus it will be in your way.
- Ideally you will be probing the coffee directly. If the probe isn’t touching the coffee from the start of the roast, ok. But hopefully it is contacting the bean mass at the more critical roast stages, nearing first crackFirst crack in one of two distinct heat-induced pyrolytic reactions in coffee. It is distinguished by a cracking or popping sound in the coffee, and occurs between 390... ...more and beyond.
- If you are going to drill into any machine, as I do in the video, be sure you know that you won’t be near any electrical connections. Also you need to make sure you aren’t going to change the air flow, such as drilling through the fan housing … that’s a bad idea.
Steps to Install a Thermocouple in an Air Popper Coffee Roaster
- Find out the safe route for your drill bit, measuring it inside the roast chamber at a place as low as possible, so it will touch the coffee when roasting. Transfer that point to the outside as your drill mark.
- For the thermocouple I am using (50mm long, 3mm diameter), I chose a 1/8 inch drill bit to accommodate the 3 mm thermocouple probe.
- Drill the 1/8 hole all the way through the outer housing and into the roast chamber.
- Enlarge the hole in the outer plastic housing (and only in the outer housing!) with a 13/64 drill bit: My thermocouple as a threaded connector and lock nut on the shaft. Using the lock nut would be great but makes it difficult to reassemble the popper. I rely on the threads on the shaft, which are M6 (metric 6), and a 13/64 drill bit makes a hold that allows me to force those threads through the plastic housing in a way that secures the thermocouple firmly. If you have a Tap and Die set to cut M6 threads, well use it!
- Plug the thermocouple into your digital thermometer. All done!
- Remember, while your readings might not calibrate with everyone elses, they should be consistent relative to your own roasts. So if you have first crackAn audible popping sound heard during roasting. In coffee, one refers to "first crack" and "second crack," which come from two different classes of chemical reactions.: An audible... ...more at 375 f and mine measures 395 f, we just need to allow for that when comparing notes. As I point out in the video, each installation of a thermometer will be a different, reading a combination of bean contact temperature and the roast chamber environment. So variation is expected!
Image Gallery for the Thermometer Installation
FAQ Questions About Adding a Thermometer to an Air Popper Coffee Roaster … And About the Car !
The car?
It’s a 1965 Barracuda and it runs, but I can put my feet through the floor pans in the back (Yabba dabba do!) . Gotta fix that… (PS this is my storageGreen coffee can be stored much longer than roasted coffee: Roasted coffee starts to lose its aromatics in 10 days after roasting. Green coffee can be stored months... ...more space, we don’t store cars at Sweet Maria’s!)
Could I use this thermal probe with a Behmor Coffee Roaster?
That’s my next project! Although you can use the BehmorA popular electric drum roaster designed for home use, with variable batch sizes (from 1/4 pound to 1 pound) and a smoke-reduction system. It has been modified and... ...more control panel to check the temperature of the onboard thermometers, I want to see if an additional probe would be helpful. But it couldn’t probe the bean mass as it roasts … at least I can’t see any way how. But if it is probing the roast environment, would it be consistent? Would it be helpful? I’ll try to find out, or find out if one of you already found out!
You say you like “raw wire thermocouples” but you are using a stainless steel one here – why?
I do like the naked thermocouples, the type not inside a metal “well”, because they are so responsive. I have tried a lot of ones that are encased, like this one, that are not very responsive for coffee roasting. With a faster roast, like in an air roaster, you want the readings to shift with the roast quickly because 10 seconds can make a difference at the end of the roast. I found that a very narrow probe (this one is 3 mm) is quite responsive though! And with an air roaster and rapidly spinning coffee, the naked probe will move around, which means it might not be measuring the same thing before and after it shifts position. But we use naked ones on our Probat 12 kg roaster and like them. Sweet Maria’s sells both types FYI
Is there any danger drilling into the popper / or other roasters
Yes, of course! As you can see in the video, I know what’s located in the spot I am drilling. If you don’t know, then don’t do it. Be smart about this.
Any other questions?
Use the comments section below and we can update this FAQ to answer your questions!
20 Responses
Can you add the thermocouple to the new Popper?
Hi Tom,
The short answer is yes, but doing so voids any warranty, so we don’t make the recommendation. That said, it’s very easy to install a thermocouple by drilling a single hole directly through the back of the Popper into the drum. You want to make sure the hole places the probe in the bean mass if you’re wanting an approximation of bean temperature. We sell this stainless thermocouple, as well as this digital thermometer that takes the k type connector.
Hope this helps!
Dan
Yes, can this therm be used on my artisan 3e. I’d like to use it in conjunction with the the thermocouple that came with my equipment
Hey Will, I don’t see why not. The main thing is that they have the same connectors if you need ‘plug and play’ solution. This thermocouple that we sell has a K type connector, and from what I’m seeing online, the thermometer that comes with the 3e takes K type connectors. Hopefully you have the same one.
Hope this helps!
Dan
I just received the Popper. Will be using it for the first time this weekend, yay! That said, I’m going to want to measure temps, mainly those of the beans. I’ve got an inexpensive laser thermometer I’d purchased to use with a VKP Whirly Popper I recently bought at Sweet Marias. I could use that but the digital probe described here, one placed within the bean mass would provide a more accurate measure, I think… ?
Coming off years of home roasting with a Toastless hot air popcorn popper using Sweet Marias’ green beans (with surprisingly satisfactory results most of the time), I’m looking forward to being able to control temperature and air flow and ultimately upping my roasting game. The VKP Whirly Popper has already helped in that regard with some fair roasts.
All said, will very likely be voiding Popper’s warranty in the near future with a well placed drill hole as soon as a soon to be ordered digital thermometer from SM’s arrives.
Any ‘drilling’ tips would be appreciated; diameter, location and height, etc. so my warranty voiding will be worth it. Let’s hear it for Rocket Science!
Hi David – thanks for the comment on this. I hope you like the Popper roaster! There is some info on the site specifically about Popper on adding a thermometer. It’s in this post under modification and links to the video where I show the inside build of the machine (and discuss how I test units by adding a thermometer). Short answer is that a good placement is 13.5 cm down, centered in the back of the unit. The 13.5 is measured from the top rim in the back (without the hood on) … so in other words if you took a large book or something and laid it over the top / roast chamber opening, then measured 13.5 cm down, that would be a great spot to probe the coffee!
Thanks Tom, will be ‘drilling’ this week. I WILL find gold.
I’d appreciate any info about adding a temperature probe to the SR800 roaster.
Yes – this is a good suggestion! We can come up with some ideas to do this. One option is always to find a way to route the flexible thermocouple into the roast chamber through the top somehow. But the issues are the inconvenience of moving the thermocouple each time you move the top, and the fact that thermocouple will move around in the air stream during roasting. Not being in a fixed position makes it less accurate. Here is our digital thermometer with thermocouple: https://www.sweetmarias.com/digital-thermometer-for-coffee-roasting-with-k-type-thermocouple.html
There are also fairly low cost, non-contact IR thermometers that you can simply point at the coffee to measure. But you have to move the top during the roast to target the beans directly. Not ideal.
Any Video /pics of installing the ( rigid stainless temp probe which I just bought from ya’ll along with the digital multimeter) in the VKP roaster . I am using it on a Induction hot plate. drill from non-opening side of the top OR through the side wall & into the bean mass above the rotator wire ?
Thanks, Brian
Hey Brian, thanks for the question. We have not modified one of the VKP nut roasters, but I think your intuition on placement is spot on. If you access from the sidewall, you’re going to need to roast large enough batches to engage the probe. From a closed lid would work too, but you’ll have to work out the clearance between the top of the rotating arm and lid so that the bean probe reaches the bean mass, but not the moving parts. I would load it with whatever batch size you typically roast to see where the bean bed sits and go from there. I hope that helps!
Those look pretty cool btw, and coupled with an induction plate sounds like a great setup.
-Dan
Hi Tom – I am about to purchase the SR800 roaster. I saw your uncertainty about how to put the thermocouple into this unit a year ago and wonder if you have had any additional experience since then.
Thanks,
Jerry
We haven’t really found a great way to measure the temperature besides using a flexible thermocouple wire and snaking it into the roast chamber , between the chaff collector and the roast chamber. The regular K type wire is thin enough to do this (The Stainless one we sell is too thick). There’s not another great way to add it into the coffee as it roasts without doing some modification to the roast chamber that could backfire and create an airflow problem. So we havent found a simple way to do that yet, sadly.
I am wondering if I could throw my “Meater” bluetooth thermometer into the roast basket of my Behmor, just to get a “second opinion” on the roast temperature. Has anyone tried this?
nvm. Just answered my own question. 212 is the max temp it can handle.
Hey Scott, glad you checked the temperature threshold! I mounted thermoprobes in both my Behmors for some testing a while back. I don’t recommend taking it that far, as it permanently alters your machine. You can simply slip a corded one like this through the door to verify temps like you suggested.
I think my thermocouple placement was too close to the heating elements. I was getting super high readings around 800F. I was trying to verify if the older machines ran hotter than the new 2000 AB Plus, since it appeared that way when monitoring the chamber temps via the control panel. My tests confirmed there is very little difference in how high the temps reach. Here’s the post if you’re curious.
Happy roasting!
Dan
I was thinking of adding two thermocouples to my stovetop, one for air and one for bean temperatures. Would the ss probe reach to the bottom of the stovetop to measure bean temp using a vkp popper?
If not what would you recommend? The thermocouple from Sweet Maria’s would be able to measure the air temp.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Mark Westlake
Yes a bean probe would be great … but in the past I have found this a bit difficult with the stovetop popper. It’s hard to find a rigid type probe that can reach the coffee and touch it, without interfering with the stirrer. I think there are dial-face types for candy making that are long, but a digital thermocouple type would show much more accurate info. But with a digital probe attached to a thermometer, you have a wire and then the thermometer laying beside the stovetop? … to that’s a little hard to manage too. PLus to get good measurements the probe shouldn’t really move around as you stir. I do know there are long rigid probes that would work, so maybe I will try one that I have in the lab and see. If I do I will post in an article here…. T
I added a 8” candy thermometer to my Whirley Pop and the tip sits about 2 inches above the bottom of the pot. The thermometer is placed through a small hole that I drilled through the fixed half of the lid and it’s secured in place by 2 Hillman shaft collars placed tightly against both sides of the fixed half of the lid. The hexnuts in the shaft collars keeps the thermometer in place. It really measures the environmental temp but after a few roasts you can get a pretty good idea at what temp dry end occurs as well as when first crack is approaching, that way you don’t have to open the lid as much. I start using an IR thermometer to check bean temp when I know I am close to ending my roast. It’s not perfect but it gives you something to monitor without constantly having to stop agitating the beans and opening the lid to check the temp of the beans. It also makes adjusting heat levels a little easier if you want to hit certain marks at certain times during the roast. For example, I know that my dry end is around 300°F on my thermometer (~340°F bean temp using IR thermometer). It’s nowhere near as easy as having a dedicated roaster for sure but it helps nonetheless. I just purchased the more heavy duty VKP and plan to do the same mod so we’ll see if environmental temps are the same in that popper.
This is good info – I do think that the environmental temperature, what your candy thermometer is measuring, tells you a lot once you get used to interpreting it. And I totally agree that if checking temperatures is causing a problem with stirring etc, its not doing much good. Plus the rigid thermometers like that are durable, and can even be recalibrated. So another plus